Curse

sigried · Jun 23, 2006, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by Bad Apache

Expensive... but still paper!

id say that the ranger armor you have its only 10+ armor and its basically the same ohh the only hard armor we can get is the one for the tanks but let me tell you one thing i have never seen a group go trough a mission without a monk so if you have problems with monks just go do your mission on yourself withought any monk.

Ahhh and dont use healer hechmen i love to see the progress you get without it

nightemaster · Jun 23, 2006, 10:46 PM // 22:46

I totally agree with all the posts that basically say "If you run out of energy each battle then you're doing something wrong." I play a monk as my primary character and have over 400 hours logged on her. When I play my other characters, a lot of times I only see the monk spamming healing breeze on everyone and using 300 point heals on people who lost only 1/10th of their life. On top of that, most of them don't bring any energy management skills... be it mantra of recall, offering of blood, signets or whatever.
I know that not everyone knows what they're doing but i believe some monks really had the abuse coming. Also, it's pretty ignorant to leave the group if someone resurrects a bad player. Sure you're screwing the bad player who won't listen but what about the rest of the hard working group? Monks screw up too and a lot of people who play monks think they're perfect.

Vahn Roi · Jun 24, 2006, 03:23 AM // 03:23

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Originally Posted by nightemaster

Monks screw up too and a lot of people who play monks think they're perfect.

I have to agree. I try not talk too much during missions, I just do my job and keep everyone healthy.

Lord Oranos · Jun 24, 2006, 08:51 AM // 08:51

Oh lord, here we go again, the ole monk abuse thing all over. Ive played as a monk for about six months now, and let me tell you, its usualy not the team. Ive had bad groups, but the thing is everyone is so scared the monk will leave they wont tell him what hes doing wrong. Ill wait for a monk to recharge, its expected for people to be exhausted of energy after a tough fight. But, if you are always in need of energy you are doing something wrong. Also, contrary to popular belief, monks are not gods, they dont deserve to be respected any more than someone else on the team.No one deserves to be put on a pedestal for what they do in a group. Being a monk does not give you the right to hold it over everyone else. I cant remember a time where I was harassed as a monk so I suppose I am doing my job right.

And, if you really want to see abuse, look at the assasins sitting in outposts with no groups for hours at end.

Kai Nui · Jun 24, 2006, 09:16 AM // 09:16

Maybe you're just not a good monk, did that ever occur to you? It's not always everyone else's fault...

Demesis · Jun 24, 2006, 10:48 AM // 10:48

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Originally Posted by Kai Nui

Maybe you're just not a good monk, did that ever occur to you? It's not always everyone else's fault...

QFT. Exactly what I was thinking.

Just because someone plays a monk they expect to be treated like gods. That's just stupid and ignorant. I can reacall some battles where the warrior saved the day. Monks don't make the team, everyone makes the team.

Merlin Munk · Jun 24, 2006, 01:05 PM // 13:05

I play my monk too help people, But i think i deserve some respect from team simply cause I respect all in team until they start behaveing bad. Calling people names and stuff like that make me very angry at a person. It is at times like those where I stop heal/res of that person. Usually that person leaves, but it make team better too have 7 people behaveing and respecting everyone, than 8 people with 1 beeing an arse.

Merlin Munk

Rusty Deth · Jun 24, 2006, 02:15 PM // 14:15

I played a monk for long time...

For the most part I got little blame for idiots, mostly cause I was able to keep them alive ( thank you offering of blood )

On the otherhand it made me hate alot of people cause I saw all their mistakes. Eles trying to tank, Warriors aggroing, and people not bringing any defense with them since I can see what they are doing.

Overall playing as a monk taught me how not to play with other characters. After seeing terrible warriors play for some time i decided to make one. I'm pretty good since I learned from other peoples mistakes. I bring stuff to keep me alive ( and its not a wa/mo ) i know when to pull out, and I know that people need energy to recharge after each little battle.

Not once as a warrior did I ever blame a monk for me dying. Cause I know it was my fault if I did.

Playing both sides shows you how to really play, so i say those who blame monks are just ignorant. I say the same thing for those who call out for a rez the second after they die.

Also the best way to play a monk i found out is to play with another monk and you're both on teamspeak. Me and buddy do that and we divide our talents and cordintate who we'll heal. We also alternate spamming Aegis which helps alot.

We been with nothing but crappy groups, even ones with moronic assassins and no one ever died. Altough we be laughing at them all and taunting those who we have to surge heal. Saying stuff like put your armor on, and golly you got your butt spanked. Or we'll say so-and-so sucks and wouldn;t be alive if it weren't for us.

They can't say anythign back cause we keep them all alive. So yeah thats sort of our little revenge on the crappy players.

But we haven't done it in a while cause playing a Monk is boring as hell. I want to kill stuff.

But I hold nothign but but respect for monks since its a pain in the ass to play as one, and they don't need any extra abuse. I figure for every monk out there, they got enough abuse already.

Astraea Zopyros · Jun 24, 2006, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by Merlin Munk

...i think i deserve some respect from team simply cause I respect all in team until they start behaveing bad...

I agree with this. When I'm monking, everything starts out great, and usually I'm more than apologetic for EVERYTHING that goes wrong, even if it's not my mistake (many times it isn't--there seven other players, I'm only 1/8 of that team). I try to respect the other players, until they breech that respect. Once they breech it, I will still heal them (unless they are half a map away, alone...sadly, I'm not omnipresent) and will still ressurect them, but I sure won't be happy about it. Is it too much for me to expect to be treated with respect and as another human player?

I will agree that there are a fair amount of snobby monks, monks who aren't quite sure what healing means, and dishonest monks (smuggle into your group as a smiter/etc.). However, I'd probably also say this is more noticeable due to the visibility of our profession.

Not every monk is a bad monk if they screw up a couple heal others, let someone die, run out of energy during battle, etc. It happens, we're all human. There will always be "elitist" players out there, there is not much you can do about that. However, I do know that in order for any of this to change, we all need to take responsibility. Have a little understanding for your monk who is constantly out of energy, maybe kindly suggest an energy management skill. At the same time, have a little understanding for a warrior who overzealously aggros a mob when you're not ready. Just as your eyes are glued to the red bars (and you're probably missing most of the chat and surroundings--I know I've missed green drops because I was so focused on the red bars), the warrior probably is assessing the adjacent mobs and not necessarily focusing on the chat to see your "My energy is 4 of 52."

Amity and Truth · Jun 24, 2006, 02:35 PM // 14:35

It's not those poor poor little monks... it's a basic "you shall receive what you ask for" situation.
All this no res/no heal bullshit and you're really wondering why people hate your profession? All of this "my way or no way" behavior? All of this "kick the Ranger, we need another Ele" behavior? The fun you have with "bad" groups and your Unyielding Aura?
And after you've ruined the day for many many others you come to the boards and whine about how bad you've been treated and that everyone is unfair towards your class and you should be respected some more... Figures.
Sorry if this sounds harsh, note my disclaimer that i'm not referring to anyone and especially not to YOU, so don't take my post personally or as a flame. I'm speaking about the general monk population here...

And seriously, no! Your Monkclass doesn't deserve any respect at all. No class does. Your personal skill maybe deserves respect, your personality most certainly deserves respect but in no way your class.

Whenever i'm playing on my monk, i strangely don't experience any abuse. I wonder why? Luck? I don't think so. The occasional person tries to flame me, but you know what? He would have flamed me anyways, no matter what class. I've also never done this "no heal" nonsense. That only makes the whole situation even worse and shows that you're tripping over your own ego.

So basically, to everyone (now i'm speaking to YOU):
If you're experiencing a lot of flames and problems with your monk, maybe think about what you're doing. It could be you, that is causing the problems.

I've never really seen any abuse towards monks, people are just far too affraid to lose one of the rarest played (Farming Crowd not counted in) classes. But i've seen lots and lots of abuse coming FROM a monk. And especially, no offense to the Threadstarter, i've also seen a lot of (sorry again) whining from Monkplayers about how unfair they've been treated. But i've strangely never seen a thread like this coming from one of the other class. Maybe think about it for a while.

Peace.

Caleb · Jun 24, 2006, 02:54 PM // 14:54

I truly enjoy playing Monk, and have had mostly great experiences with players even in random PUGs.

Never been "abused" in the year plus since Prophecies launch, maybe I have just got lucky?

It's a video game, you are supposed to be having fun! If the group you are in is making your experience not fun, leave and find a more appropriate grouping.

Lord Oranos · Jun 24, 2006, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Rusty Deth

On the otherhand it made me hate alot of people cause I saw all their mistakes. Eles trying to tank, Warriors aggroing, and people not bringing any defense with them since I can see what they are doing.

I know what ya mean, I was monking today, had a warrior that had frenzy nonestop, we told him to stop but we were able to keep him alive anyway, and two casters that ran out in front of the tank and grabbed the aggro, also the tank pulling a mob and running behing the casters >.< . If its any class thats made me see peoples dumb mistakes, its the monk.

Bethany · Jun 24, 2006, 06:55 PM // 18:55

Here's a little example of what it can turn into. Not so long ago I was with a pug south of House Zu Heltzer. The group started to veer in different directions until they separate, each in their own private little battles. Me? I was always jumped on with virtually no one to help me. I was fending off for myself. Of course, during that time it becomes a bit hard to concentrate on your fellow team members. One even had the guts of asking "...please heal next time".

Hu uh. Very clever. Try healing far apart people when you're fending off Wardens of all kinds. Of course I can't say that for all the pugs I've been into but some are pretty bad.

Corinthian · Jun 24, 2006, 07:04 PM // 19:04

"I have no energy" is a bad excuse for a monk. Any boon healer with MoR can keep up even with the crazy warrior taking on the second group seconds after beating the first. It's called battle longevity. You must be able to sustain the steady rate of healing. The other players compensate by bringing defensive stances, armor increasing spells and enchantments and damage output hindering hexes.

Of course you won't heal a frenzied warrior taking on Glint or something. Apply some common sense. In normal situations a monk has to be able to drop 200+ hp heals with only 7 energy non-stop. This is possible with MoR. You don't get +15/-1 rod and +15/-1 focus to heal with Jameis Gaze and Heal Other constantly, then complain how you have no energy when there are zero Inspiration magic in your bar (or any energy management skill). I've asked a lot of monks: what do you use for energy management? Typical reply is "5 energy spells, I don't need energy management." Horsepoo.

And please... No smiting... Seriously please...

Evilsod · Jun 24, 2006, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by Corinthian

"I have no energy" is a bad excuse for a monk. Any boon healer with MoR can keep up even with the crazy warrior taking on the second group seconds after beating the first. It's called battle longevity. You must be able to sustain the steady rate of healing. The other players compensate by bringing defensive stances, armor increasing spells and enchantments and damage output hindering hexes.

Ah yes those brilliant Ele's that think they're doing you a favour by dropping Fire and ES for some Earth Magic for Armour of Earth. They truly do amaze me... all that extra armour they get and all that ability to kite they lose! Morons...
Or those Warriors that bring Dolyak Signet and have no frigging idea how to use it and end up walking after the agro they lost slowly.

At least bring something useful, Enfeebling Blood/Enfeeble/Enfeebling Touch? Distortion? Watch Yourself? Shields Up?

Just don't be a warrior who brings Prot Spirit to cast on himself... they're taking more than 10% health a bit why? Ah yes that armour ignoring Mesmer damage... If only they realised most of the armour ignoring damage they took was from PS getting shattered.

Theres a huge difference between something helpful and something purely to keep you alive. All the talk of defensive stances, your a warrior for christ sake, fair enough bring somet to keep yourself alive longer, but its nice if your running enough Tactics to use Defensive Stance to bring something that can benefit the rest of us too (even if you shouldn't be close enough for it to affect us most of the time anyway).

Lumen · Jun 25, 2006, 06:13 AM // 06:13

lol, yeah, some monks think they're all that...not doing anything wrong. But, agreed, monks aren't perfect. They make mistakes too.

However, when the tank KITES (yes, i know, wtf.) can't expect the monk to heal your party of 8 when 20 guys rush at your team.

Yup, "no energy" or "OMG LAGGGGGG srry!" is commonly used, myself included. Just a cover up meaning sorry...screwed up. But hey, WTF WHY'D YOU RUSH IN, TANK?! Makes it also perfectly clear that you were low on energy and that the guy was an idiot.

I personally am against the idea of blaming monks...unless they're really that bad. I, being a monk, hate the critism i get when i screw up...not paying attention. We try...or at least most of us :S It is tempting to just ignore the guy screaming at you, and not heal him, but I still do it.

Don't blame your monks unless they do something like...
Running up the stairs, all the way up, and coming back down trying to aggro the world in Raisu Palace, but actually trying to mean well for your team...completely unaware that he just screwed up the mission.

waiver · Jun 25, 2006, 06:22 AM // 06:22

Simply put to the lvl 15 tanks with Yak's:

If you keep charging into a group with half health and I have 3 energy, I will let you die, and I know I'm the only one with res. :|

Lets Get to Healing · Jun 25, 2006, 08:48 AM // 08:48

I like to run monk just for fun and most of the time people are quite rude. I dont want to have to start another THK strike . . .

Hakuin · Jun 25, 2006, 09:04 AM // 09:04

as of late, ive only gotten sass from one group.... the casters... . im a pretty good healer, since before i started doing nything i went and farmed and bought all the divine + healing skills i could. so most everyone can almost constantly stay alive. the wammos and sins usually understand when they die, why they died. but the casters as said in the first post will get to close, or actually try and tank (retarded) and then blame me when they are spiked before i can hit the #4 button for WoH or orison, or jamei's gaze.

as for the are the wammos really so stupid as to run into groups right after a fight w/o regen time, sometimes. in which case i send out the message "run or die" and i turn around and book it. then i explain my actions. any sass, and the map comes up and find a new group. but it seems that because of the monk shortage, there arent that many jackasses now ^_^

David Lionmaster · Jun 26, 2006, 01:50 AM // 01:50

Lol, when I saw this title, I thought you meant all of the abusive monks out there. Most monks are fine, but sometimes you get these really snobby, elitist monks who think they can take advantage of you because they're the one healing you. I got in an argument with a monk over a non-game related issue, and he refused to heal me the entire mission. Then there are the monks who refuse to heal my pet, even though when I bring my pet, I am a full beastmaster. I ask them nicely if they aren't healing him, and tell them that I am a beastmaster, and they say, "No, I'm not wasting my time on your pet."

And its not like I'm not nice to monks, I wait for them to regen energy and don't aggro huge groups.